Restart Banlist

humantraffic · Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 15:16 Post subject: Restart Banlist

Im always sure when I ban someone, but im sure there are alot of people banned that are innocent.

New MTASADM is much harder to see a cheat, I have watched someone with 150ms ping warp 100m up the track, float around in midair, drive under water,.....and then lose connection and timeout.

I have seen many other people ban them when they see this.

Lets talk a bit about how MTASA has evolved, in old MTASAR when there was a connection problem the affected player just froze on your screen so it was easy to see a lagger, they just stopped.

It was horrible to race like that, remember the days? Avoiding 10m behind a car just incase they get slight lags and warp backwards killing your car?!

Now MTASADM is more clever, it uses prediction so when you get a slight lag it keeps the car moving forwards and you can stay right behind them without fear of hitting the dreaded laggs!

Only problem with this is if someone has a unstable connection, there car goes all over the place, the game thinks you were moving at 100mph before you timedout, so it just keeps going. Thats why you see people fly up a track sometimes, or strangely driving around underwater. If their lag has got that bad they are going to timeout anyway, it just takes about 60seconds for the server to realise theyre gone.

Ive seen it on DD server too, someone is going to timeout, but they win a round underwater and it looks like theyre moving to everyone else. In reality they lost connection 30secs ago and the game tried to keep up by moving them to a location it thinks they were going to. It might be further up the road, or in the water, or wherever, it doesnt matter, but after that point all you are seeing is their inputs 30seconds ago when they were on the map/track.

Some admin training may be needed here, there must be loads in the banlist that are innocent.

Servo · Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 16:52 Post subject: Re: Restart Banlist

<<< never banned someone who is just timed.

If the banned guys are innocent, they can just go to the forum and make a post and they will get unbanned.
So theres no point of reseting the banlist.

The most players on the DD server are 11 year old non english speaking noobs, they say that someone is cheating who just got timed
and I have to tell them 1000000 times that he's just timed and they still dont get it...

humantraffic · Posted: 11 Aug 2010, 18:48 Post subject: Re: Restart Banlist

I dont agree servo, its so hard to see the difference between a lagger or a haxxor in new MTASADM....

It happened yesterday again, everyone finished racing and we were all watching this 1 player.

He wasnt moving and seemed afk, but then he flew into the air and stopped, turned around, and smashed into a wall.

You can imagine the SCREAMS from all people on the server "BAN THE CHEATER BAAAAN" and other skc members also said ban straight away without even looking.

I knew it was a lagger because the movements werent smooth, he warped around and then stopped, then warped into a wall flying through the air.

I said he was lagging and about to timeout, noone belived me but i said wait a second, sure enough 20seconds later he had timed out.

You all seem so convinced when someone flys around in the air that they cheat, and you are all just completely wrong.

I tell the difference by how they move, my general rule is if the movements are NOT smooth and the player 'warps' then it is usually lag.

If the player seems to have control and moves without warping then it is probably a cheat, but id still watch for a few moments to be sure.

Ok just to put it in perspective, youre a downloader and join SKC for the first time with Torrents downloading, you join the server ok, start a race, but others dont see u move because you lag, then after about a minute other people start to see your random connection catch up wiith lost packets all over the place, they see you fly....So the first time someone connects they might be banned by an inexperienced admin who doesnt know what they are looking at.....thats bad for SKC

humantraffic · Posted: 11 Aug 2010, 22:57 Post subject: Re: Restart Banlist

Yeh it is a big thing to do I guess, not possible to just reset race?

humantraffic · Posted: 22 Aug 2010, 11:37 Post subject: Re: Restart Banlist

And it happened again yesterday! Naughty Pygsterik, how long u been playing this game?!

Again the car floated in the air, turned around slowly, and started to warp around.

Again the server screams "BAAAAAAN CHEEEEEAT"

I said timeout, but he was banned.....

This aint good people, we are expecting alot from peoples connections to downloads mods and scripts and everything else, play fair and give them a chance to play lol

xerion · Posted: 22 Aug 2010, 12:35 Post subject: Re: Restart Banlist

Yep i saw that...

Servo · Posted: 22 Aug 2010, 14:58 Post subject: Re: Restart Banlist

theres a way to check it, if its a hacker or not
just blow him up
if he dies, he hacks
but if his car looks broken and his life is 0 and hes still alive, hes timed

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