Our Racing server is old and dusty; Lets shake things up!

humantraffic

I think we should look at radical changes to keep up with the times in SKC racing.

Its really annoying because we have some really good quality race maps now, but they make up about 1 in every hundred maps, so if an average race is 4minutes then you might only play that super awesome map every 5 hours of playing!

Its crazy, noone will wait for 5 hours of boring racing just for 4 minutes of super-awesome racing, hmmm wonder I if thats why its so empty...

Im the ultimate die-hard racing fan, but even I have my limits too.

What I propose is not changing a classic map like Wu-Zi-Mu; its a offroad country map made for the Buffalo and I would shoot dead anyone who changed it (add nitro maybe?:) but to change all the average maps that need spicing up.

All the flat boring custom maps with infernus, possibly hundreds of them, changed to these new fast Custom racing cars!

All the lampost hell city maps, also possibly hundreds of them, changed to good handling custom rally cars!

So if everytime someone joined the server, if it was guaranteed to be some cool fast custom race in the next 2 races, it would be good.

humantraffic

eg: I think GrandValley Speedway in a Formula1 car would be good for the racing and the server too.

You'd only need like 5 custom cars to replace the originals:

Formula1= Infernus
Koenigssegg= Banshee
Ferrari= Turismo
Impreza= Sultan
Lacetti= Flash...and so on....., im not familiar with the custom cars really, so I guess thats what we need to discuss, whats the best car to replace another?

And would you 'allow' the F1 car to be used, or is that too exclusive?

TD Mystic

Well, I'm always up for trying something new, but if we actually do this, we should make a backup of the entire server imo :wink:

What I would also like is deleting a lot of maps

I know that pretty much all the maps on the server right now are superb quality unlike anything on any other server. Well, imo, that allows us to select about a 100-200 maps that are all insanely good and always guarantee spectacular racing. Then if we "spice them up" as you say with new cars and possibly some more nos (wu zi mu with nos, why hasn't anybody ever thought of that before? lol), we could be looking at a possible reinvention of mta racing :lol:

Our server is already the best racing server on mta (I know I'm being cocky here, but... it is... lol)
But to get people away from mrgreen, being better won't be enough, we need to blow them out of the water

humantraffic

The Most wanted event does provide that already, but going through them and changing the custom cars would be great for the racing, and also bring us upto date aswell.

Obviously if we are going to go through every single map on the server and look at changing them, then there will be some that you cant be assed to improve, or is just too shit to improve.

I think if we had a selection of these cars to choose from, and stuck to the list of cars, then it could be awesome.

At a rough guess I think about 50% of races could be changed to custom cars, the other 50% will be specialist maps, eg: planes, bikes, offroad, classic maps.

mrselfdestruct · **Joined:** 26 Sep 2007 **Posts:** 398 **Location:** Usa

I think ppl get fed up with the 11mb etc...downloads of some of these new tracks and cars....I dont mind the new cars..but prefer regular ones....its the maps that need sorting...throw out the shit (and in some cases mediocre) and concentrate on the great ones..!

the rating system is there for a reason.....anything with 4 or lower goes after say 15/20 votes ( I personally feel that every SKC member shud vote on the maps)

AdiBoy

msd has a good point there; you cant make custom maps and custom car models to keep the players on the server; they just get fed up

there's no way of getting new players to our server, most of them are racing noobs, they dont care about great made maps, they just wanna get in there and fuckup others so they can win; they like when others explode, they like blocking others and shit like this

i dont think there are too many true racers around; and most of them are split up, they mainly play on their clan's server and stuff, so unless we collaborate with other racing clans to make a common server i dont think we can have a pure racing server with players online...

Cortez

that is what you got for making a racing elite server, you removed all the fun maps, now there is only lapped tracks, newbies don't like it, and after 3 maps in a row like this, they quit to join Mr greens server whot is way more noob friendly

Ivan_xXx

i agree, having been to mr greens suddenly realised that we are missing all the stupid funny maps that were at the start of MTA:race plz bring *some* of those back

humantraffic · Last edited by humantraffic on 13 Jul 2010, 18:31, edited 1 time in total.

Omfg you lot just wont try anything new,.....so stuck in your old ways......INNOVATE! ADAPT! OVERCOME!

LOTS of people join the server for a few seconds and then go again, there ARE lots of players on MTADM floating around looking for something NEW AND FUN! What if when they join SKC they see a Tuned KenBloc Scooby Impreza?? They would stay and see what other stuff we had. At the moment we would ask them politely to hang around for 5 hours until a good map came on!

There are lots of fun maps, there is just 5 hours of boring so-so maps inbetween.

And if your ONLY VALID REASON for not doing this is because of downloads, surely once you download a custom car thats it? you have it forever and wont download it again unless something is changed??

And as far as I was aware we are a racing clan? I didnt think we were competing with fun map servers? Shit we coulda stuck Dinghey falls in the maps years ago is THAT why we are emptier these days? Awww so simples lolol NO THATS COMPLETE RUBBISH, Why else would hardcore racers play here for years? Oh yeah we can put on a good race......just a few boring ones too......this is my point, first impressions are of boring maps noone plays anymore, and noobs see this and leave, without looking further into our great racing server.

Wouldnt nice models on upto about 50% of normal racing maps be good?

What is wrong with you people always thinking negatives, its so weird like you want SKC to fail rather than change to something new

Csena[HUN] · Last edited by Csena[HUN] on 13 Jul 2010, 18:38, edited 2 times in total.

Well, I think use modded cars is a good idea. Iam sure Ivan can cut the size of the cars. Like the Subaru what I use in wrc part 3 map. So the size cant be the problem.
But! Iam one of the most active player on mr green server and iam sure you dont want racing with those guys.

As Adi said they are ramming, blocking a lot. They have high ping and zero driving skil. There is only 20 or less player who is quite good. Pingeriss one of them and most of you hate him coz he ram a lot.

Is it possible make a folder on the server for the models and the scripts, so we only have to put 3 lines into the map meta file?

banshee: http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... =downloads
Dont use the F1 car. It is sometimes stuck into the objects.
cheetah: http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... entid=2166

I have to go now, but if you want i can find some more cars.

JrMan

i said it a long time ago we needed to make our server more noob friendly

id much rather play on mr greens than in our server tbh

humantraffic

A racing server cant really be compared to a noob fun random map server tvfh

You are taking it off topic, I was quite specific in using Custom car models to improve WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY

There you go finally Csena, someone thinking positives, trying to overcome problems and adapt, give him a medal!

Sputs|uk

Nothing wrong with trying new things, i'm up for that - lets just do as TD says though and clone everything we have in the event of disaster.

Who's job will it be anyway, sorting out the maps??

We know from past experiences what a headache this can be, somebody always usually gets upset over something being removed, it's a minefield out there!!

I mean there are a ton of comet, turismo, banshee, infernus ect blastaround maps around San Fierro and the likes, you know the ones, good old stock street racing, no gimmicks, and i love them to bits.

Where do we draw the line?

humantraffic

Its not a big change, I wanted to have a go at sorting through the maps anyway as so many are crossed over with older versions.

These custom cars are awesome, everytime a good custom race comes on everyone loves it, they can be used on stock terrain maps aswell as custom circuits, they look much nicer and pleasing to the eye, its faster more exciting racing,.... I cant actually think of anything negative at all.

It wasnt possible with old MTASAR, now it is......whats the problem? Like I said, it is making better use of what we already have.

The Lamborghini Gallardo, i forgot that awesome model, perfect to replace Infernus?.....the new Chevrolet Lacetti model is also awesome, perfect to replace any FWD map? We only need about 7 models and we could change like 300 maps easily.

Ivan_xXx

okay yes cesna it is possible and is already sort of being dont, only with crappy cars. If people would like to sujest stuff from here. I'll tell you if it will work or not and why not and we'll use it. Also what map maybe because I dont want to ruin good maps like HT said

http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... adcars.php

mrselfdestruct · **Joined:** 26 Sep 2007 **Posts:** 398 **Location:** Usa

Ok, so lets go with the new cars, I quite like some of them. But folks, we need to be rating these maps!! Can we have something that shows how many ppl have voted for a particular map and set a limit on it....IE..if 20 ppl have voted for a map and its only got 4/10 it gets removed...and have a thread in the forum to say what maps have been added/removed and why so ppl can complain/praise!

ViRuS

making (y)our server 500 MB DOWNLOADING ONLY isnt a good idea IMO guys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nobody's going to be able to enter it ! ; D

runman

FOOLS....you need more LOOPINGS.......MORE LOOPINGS = EPIC...EPIC = PEOPLE, MORE PEOPLE = FUN, FUN = EPIC.....do you see the LOOOP?

MORE LOOPINGS !!!!!!! MOAR HARD LOOPINGS !!!! MORE NOOB MAPS !!!!! FUCK CUSTOM MAPS.... !!!

if i was a new noob guy coming to the server...and i see the car...i think...wow.../care......ow what a BORING map......wut 100 CP'S ENDURENCE MAP? gtfo.....where is MR.GREEN...

FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLS

AdiBoy

@runman: stfu, this thread is about RACING not NOOBING around

its not gonna be 500 mb download.. a max of 20-25 mb i think with about 6-7 custom models; this doesnt include custom maps...

also, msd: there is a special page on the website that only few ppl can see it that shows all the race maps that were rated by at least 5 ppl and its ordered by the total rating; i just need to know who needs access to the list so i can let him see it

i agree with 'making the maps faster and more exciting' idea; but it will take a lot of work in doing this... maybe if 2-3 guys split up the maps and work on their batch or something like that; also using the current svn style of updating resources its easy to keep track of what has been updated and what wasnt..

runman

what i was trying to say..............people KNOW SAN ANDREAS itself as town to town.....driving around in there is like....fucking a sheep for the 500000 times.....its getting boring....you need to CREATED custom maps, make ur own roads in the air...where you can fall off, something like that.....

mrselfdestruct · **Joined:** 26 Sep 2007 **Posts:** 398 **Location:** Usa

gibber jabba!

why dont we have a n00b racing server as well with all the falling/silly/wierd maps on there? and the old skool maps, blah, blah.....

runman

pure genius

Whiskey

Sure, we can change the vehicle models if you like.

I doubt it'll change much though. Fact is that there just aren't that many good racers out there that can appreciate a proper race. The player pool simply isn't that big

JrMan

delete everything in the server

give hitman control over the server for a month

watch it grow like old times

Tulaipo

Only if he can manage to live longer than that month..

Hitman

my bpm is back upto 55 today!! so dont look like i'm dying yet dude.

I'd love to help as im out of work for a bit, but i've been away from race for so long i dunno whats good or not, only the stock maps i like as i remember the city, i can't remember these custom tracks built over water, so meh..

i say we need to summarise what 'genre' of maps need to be on the server, ie custom, stock, boom, loop ect

then get a fanboy of each genre, so say HT is the BOOM/custom guy, MSD is the stock/custom guy, runman(ok i know i dont really mean it) is the loop guy, then list all the maps that fall into them catagorys, once this is done, the new map team then set out and work amongst themselves to delete certain maps, then decide which one's need modelled cars, and which ones need editing..

all in all, it will end up a simple process if we can just lay down these simple rules.

Ivan_xXx

Yea i would like access to that page. People plz sugest models to use or is only Cesna going to do that?

ViRuS

i've had some ideas so hmmm im gonna share with you

1. If you went to the DDC server and asked for some DM maps (and ofc if you got them) you would make them 'race' (checkpoints etc) and advertise it in the server name.

2. You could make few interesting maps like:
you race, than leave your car and shoot to some target do unlock another part of the map.

3. Drive-by maps. One person drives, and another one shoots.

4. loops

5. faster handling maps with big jumps etc.

Harum · **Joined:** 25 Sep 2007 **Posts:** 362 **Location:**

ViRuS

welcome back, harum <3

humantraffic

Wow 10 people racing at 9am in the morning, see? There are people who want to race. Please dont use inactivity as an excuse to sit on our arses and not do anything. Thats very disheartening, after all these years of dedicated racing dont you think its worth it?

Gallardo = Infernus
F430 = Cheetah
........
.....
...

COME ON I DONT KNOW THE MODELS, FUCKING HELP!

mrselfdestruct · **Joined:** 26 Sep 2007 **Posts:** 398 **Location:** Usa

Maybe we shud hav a poll on whether a "fun" racing server wud be popular??

I remember wen we split the circuit tracks up from the stock/other maps we had.....that didnt work....but it wudnt hurt us to hav a fun server like mr.green...that it very popular after all, we cud nab sum of their players, who may, in turn, come on the race server and knuckle down for gentlemans wheelbangin!

AdiBoy

well from what i got from ht's saying he doesnt want a popular fun server but a popular race server...

anyway, i added ht, ivan and csena to the allow-list so they can see the most rated maps, you can find a link in the MAPS tab

ViRuS

dont replace ... at least not infernus!

AdiBoy

Csena[HUN] · Last edited by Csena[HUN] on 15 Jul 2010, 19:34, edited 16 times in total.

Nice list Adi. I love the infernus.
Comet: Porsche Cayman S http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... =downloads coz Ivan shrinked this one.
elegy: Nissan Skyline R32 GTS-T http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... rBy=voting or other nissan skyline. There are a lots of. Take some time find the best one. http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 1&orderBy= http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 0&orderBy= http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 4&orderBy= http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 3&orderBy= Or Nissan Sylvia can be good too: http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... rBy=voting
bullet: This one is the only one what i dont like in your list Adi. Here is my recomendation: McLaren MP4-12C http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... entid=4706
banshee: we should use Dodge Viper i think. This one http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 9&orderBy= or this one http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 1&orderBy=
buffalo: Shelby GT500 Eleanor http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 6&orderBy=
phoenix: Pontiac Trans Am 77 http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 1&orderBy=
Turismo: Ferrari F40 http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 3&orderBy= Zonda is cool too and Ivan shrinked that model.
cheetah: Ferrari Testarossa '91 V2 http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... entid=2506 It is look like cheetah
nrg500: Suzuki GSXR 1000 http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... entid=3979
Flash: Subaru Impreza WRX STi Ken Block http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 6&orderBy= Ivan shrinked this one
Sultan: 2006 Subaru Impreza WRX STi http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... entid=1148
zr350: Corvette C6.R (final) http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 7&orderBy= Same model what Adi suggested, but it has smaller size. Or this one: Chevrolet Corvette z06 Tuning http://www.gtainside.com/en/download.ph ... 0&orderBy=

If we selected the models we have to test them coz some new model modify the original handling. Like that Aston Martin in Donington Park map. Super GT is less slippery with Aston Martin.

Here is your Jaguar Rich: http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... entid=3478 I think the lambo what Adi suggested better.

RichKiD

i'm afraid this game is just on an inevitable slide towards irrelevance, nothing to do with a specific thing, just TIME, its old now.
i am getting a bit fed up with the f1 tracks being included in the main game, because thats not wot the game is for. personally, and i know noone cares wot i think but hey ho. but i quite like the shit maps, docki makes some godawful weird maps, but i love those. i like it when close racing ends up in one (even if its me) crashing into a lamppost and the duel is over. surely thats wot racing is about.
with regards to the koooenigsgesgsgsgsg, plz remove it, ugliest car ever, i am older than a few of u and i would love some thing like a jag xj220 model or a proper ferrari f40, or even a jensen interceptor, or something from that era.
surely a little bit of everything is the best way to go, some elite maps, then a weird one in the sky, then, even tho i dont like, a circuit one, so perhaps we, i'm sorry to say, DO need some kind of instant voting system, altho preferrably i wouldnt like this

RichKiD

and the infernus would ROCK if it was a jag xj220

JrMan

fun > elite

ViRuS

this would be awesome for sultan : P

humantraffic

Ok Virus so youre happy racing online again? I must admit I was getting annoyed with people coming up with good comments and you virtually saying "no this is shit, we need more DD maps and make them races"

How about I load my shotgun, take you out back, and put you out of your misery?

If you dont like racing then why are we reading comments from you?

Ok rant over, yes adiboy its too much for one person, a team of like 3 people would make it much easier.

It will be good, like I said, more hands makes light work...

Ivan_xXx

Ivan_xXx

Ivan_xXx

Cars » Sonstiges has other models that do not fit into anywhere else

Also like cesna said onc we decided on what we want, thy'll need testing as some will end up riding on stilts ( common problem with sultan and can see it with the zonda on cesnas map but its not that bad there)

All of these are under 3-4 MB each including textures and models:

http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... d0b86c1082

http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... d0b86c1082

http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... d0b86c1082

http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... d0b86c1082

These 2 to replace ordinary boring models without affecting handling:
http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... d0b86c1082

http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... d0b86c1082

I recon this for sultan its awesome http://gta-worldmods.t-n-network.de/php ... d0b86c1082

Csena[HUN]

Ok. What is the next step? I think we should try every model that Ivan said it is good for MTA in some different type of maps (custom map, loop, "lampost hell city", ect) with and without Plod handling scirpt. I think if the handling is better that will be ok. If worse dont use the model. When we use Plod handling script we should use this one too: http://community.mtasa.com/index.html?p ... ails&id=44

RichKiD

aaaaaww, plz dont vote the lambo over the jag, otherwise it'll just be cars made in the last 5 years. the jag xj220 is a classic!, and when i say classic kids, i mean something made in the early 90s lol

Hitman

cheetah = lotus esprit

ViRuS · Last edited by ViRuS on 16 Jul 2010, 10:22, edited 2 times in total.

Hitman

HT, what he's trying to get at is, PL = HAX

ViRuS

fuck off for now

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